These two products are like two peas in a pod. They must and I mean must be used together. Estee Lauder Idealist Skin Refinisher is a skin refinishing complex that helps improve and even skin tone. It is considered a repair product, so do not skip out on a moisturizer. After you feel your skin when you use this product, you might think that you don't need a moisturizer, but you do. This product is very much worth the price. I joke that it is cocaine for the skin. Not that I encourage drug use or anything, but products are my drug of choice, and this product is one of my faves. It also minimizes pores. You will see a huge difference in just one week. Use morning and evening after cleansing and before moisturizer . It's counter part - Idealist Micro-D is more of a treatment. It has little crystals that when you add water, they warm up on your skin. This enlarges the pores and the crystals go on in there and remove all of the yuck in your pores. I only like to use this product ...